What Does The Bible Say About Remembrance Sunday?

well good afternoon and welcome to crowd church my name is matt and beside me is the beautiful anna anna how you doing i'm good thank you matt yeah i'm well yeah good good welcome uh to uh crowd church uh we are an online church for those that might not see the point of church uh for those who are looking for answers to live a meaningful life and basically for everyone who just wants to sort of do remembrance sunday today so you're welcome here uh wherever you are on your faith journey uh it's good to see you it's good that you're here so uh brilliant anna what is coming up today do you know have i told you yes you have tommy have you remembered how i remembered that's another question of that so today we have got um we've got a um sure to talk the normal and we're going to spend a bit of time um observing and remembering for remembrance sunday it's going to have a bit of time of reflection as well as usual talk and then we've also got some worship coming up later and conversation street and um does that cover it matt yeah good that'll work yeah yeah that'll work well done and because today is remembrance sunday we are going to add a few little a few little things in uh as well um and so yes uh a warm welcome to you that is exactly what's coming up on the screen i'm just going to go back to actually my other where's my button there it is uh why's that not come up hang on there we go let's try that there you go i forgot to mention if you want to reach us and connect with us you can find us on the web at crowd.churchwww.crowd.church you can also reach us via the whatsapp number which is also on your screen which i know many of you have done in the last few weeks we've had all kinds of conversations so if i've been talking to you on whatsapp it's great to see you great you're here really really pleased and i've enjoyed our conversations that's for sure uh so yeah you can reach out to us on that number and one of the things people do connect with us about is prayer so a lot of people call in and say listen can you pray for such and such and most of them don't even go to church so it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we just like to pray so just let us know what's going on and we would love to connect with you i think that's fair enough isn't it anna i think that's right yeah absolutely we'd love to pray for you if there's anything you want prayer for just let us know have a go have a go see what happens so um we are live streaming from liverpool well i'm you're in liverpool as well actually i just say but we're both in liverpool uh as we as we are live streaming this so wherever you are in the world a big warm welcome to you it is now dark outside i mean dark uh and so it's night now isn't it does the clock going back thing mess you up anna or are you okay with it yeah i honestly i hate it i hate that feeling of like getting up and it still feels like the middle of night and then i pick my little boy up from school at like half three or four o'clock and it's getting dark and it's just it just doesn't make it doesn't make me wanna do stuff you know like i just want to hibernate and watch tv and stay indoors after like after it gets dark just i don't know it doesn't bring the best out in me and to be fair it's not the hour going back and forth it's just the annoyance of having to change the clocks that aren't smart clocks you know like the one on the oven which you still have to manually change um you know yes why can't everything be like an iphone hey and just like waste yours at the right time just do it just just do it uh if only everything was right i would say today was a beautiful day though because i the thing i hate about this time of year is it's so dark isn't it but like today was actually a really beautiful bright day so it was too much the sun was shining and it was warm at least here in liverpool yeah let us know what it's like where you are that one day of the year where it was warm in liverpool exactly no great sky it was blue amazing brilliant absolutely brilliant so today is remembrance sunday where we remember those who have fought who have lost their lives and who have fallen over the years uh whether in the armed services for a lot of people it's a time to remember loved ones who have passed and we're going to get into your questions thoughts and comments in conversation street in just a little bit but we are going to uh have a talk first we have been doing a series if this is your first time with us welcome but we have been doing a series called what does the bible say about and we've been asking questions like what does the bible say about science what does the bible say about anxiety all these kind of cool questions and just digging in you know really interesting questions that have relevance for us today and is there anything that the bible tells us about it well that theme is going to be carrying on today we're going to get into what does the bible say about remembrance sunday it's a really interesting question is there anything in the bible well we're going to get into that we're going to do this talk now and then anna and i will be back in just a little while so here we go with today's talk so what does the bible say about remembrance sunday well perhaps a bigger question is to say what does the bible say about days like today you know the days where we do remember events and people such of those that have fallen or those that have sacrificed those that have given their lives we could take it even further i guess and ask what does the bible say about war is it just is it righteous and why does god not intervene and stop war if he's a god of peace there are so many questions a rabbit trail of questions that we could easily end up on but for today regardless of what i personally think about war itself i can't argue with the fact that countless men and women throughout history including my own family members have paid incredibly high prices so that i can enjoy the freedoms that i currently have my great great grandfather for example dennis who is sharon's grandfather was evacuated at dunkirk and had an incredible story about that so should we intentionally remember such things well it kind of to me feels right to do but is there more than just this feeling what does the bible say about it and there's this really interesting story actually in jesus's ministry that i just want to touch on it's in one of the gospels with a lady called mary magdalene now mary had a sister called martha and she had a brother called lazarus and they were all good friends with jesus and the disciples and one day they're having a meal at lazarus's house in honor of jesus which seems like a pretty good reason to have a meal to me right and during that meal something rather interesting happens mary breaks open an expensive bottle of perfume and she anoints jesus's feet with it now this may seem a little bit odd given that we don't do this that much here uh even in liverpool right or in the west we just don't you don't go to somebody's house to eat uh and then when the host comes you rub perfume on their feet with your hair it would be a little bit unusual that's for sure especially if that perfume was worth around 25 grand but that's what mary did with jesus so it's an unusual story and so without getting into all the finer points of it because it is quite a remarkable story there is one point that i do want to draw out and it's to do with what jesus said to mary and her family and all the disciples who were there when she'd done this okay so she'd done this act and here's what jesus said to her assuredly i say to you wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her what this woman mary did will be told as a memorial to her in other words it will be remembered it will be remembered throughout the whole world this is what jesus the son of god himself decreed that we should remember the act of this brave but humble ordinary woman from bethany so it seems that there are times and that there are acts done by ordinary people that we should remember we should make time for them like we do today and it's not just mary's anointing of jesus's feet we should remember there's a really interesting verse in john's gospel that is often quoted at times like this and it's jesus who's talking and he says this there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends there is no greater love that's really interesting isn't it those that give their lives for others is an act of love and the greatest act of love is to lay down your life for somebody that's quite an interesting statement i think that jesus makes you know we might call it heroic when you lay down your life we can we maybe call it a sacrifice like we do today but ultimately according to jesus it's an act of love how do you know you love someone you'd give your life for them if you're a parent you will know that feeling well especially when your kids are young and have so much of life to live but what may surprise you about this verse is the context of it so if we look at the context of what jesus is actually talking about here is he talking about the brave men and women that give up their lives because that's how we've often interpreted it but what jesus is actually talking about is himself he's talking about the death uh so he's talking about his own death and christians celebrate this right which at first glance well that just may seem a little bit odd but it's all about his sacrifice and there's a day coming where we will breathe our last breath on this planet sorry to report it but it is a truth you can't escape it right even if we don't think about it you still can't escape it i don't know when that will be you don't know when your last day will be and sure we can hypothesize all day long about it we can look after our health we can try and extend our lives and these are all good things but really we just don't know sometimes we get to choose right we get to choose how we live and sometimes we get to choose how we die and that is what jesus is talking about according to the bible there is more than one type of death we face yes we die physically but the bible talks a lot about spiritual death too and that spiritual death is what happens when we're cut off from god okay so jesus in a few chapters talks about it like this he says imagine a branch on a tree and that branch is cut off from the tree okay there is still some life in that branch leaves can still grow on it but it is ultimately cut off from the source of life and so it will eventually die there are two deaths for this branch the moment it's cut off from the tree and the day it withers and dies and humanity is a lot like that there are two deaths that we have to face there is a spiritual death which is a separation from the tree of life which is god himself jesus our source of life but then there's also the physical death that we face so when jesus talks about laying down his life he dieth but he dies both physically and spiritually and here's the thing about this verse right jesus is talking about laying down his life as a supreme act of love and this is something that he does for his friends okay this is what he says my friends if you do what i command that's quite an astounding statement right what happened through the death of christ was he died so that i wouldn't have to so that you wouldn't have to right not physically but spiritually he in effects lifts up the branch and grafts it back into the tree of life we reconnect with the source of life and in so doing jesus calls us friends and that's why christians celebrate it and although it may seem odd it is a remarkable thing that is just life-changing the consequence of jesus dying was that i could find life again and the consequence of all those men and women who gave themselves in times of conflict is that i get to live in relative freedom and peace there is a consequence to the to their love to the gift of their life and that's amazing both from the christian narrative about christ but also from the people that fought for us the bible has a lot to say about remembering this kind of act if i'm honest surprisingly so how much it does have to say in proverbs it says that the memory of the righteous is blessed the memory of those that gave their lives is blessed they live righteous sorry those that live righteously their memory is blessed and it's good to remember that it's really good to remember that in deuteronomy it says remember the days of old consider the years of many generations ask your father and he will show you your elders and they will tell you remember the days of old consider them consider and think about what it was like and what it is like now one of your roles as you get older like me you know we it catches up with the best of us is to make sure that we tell the generations before what it was actually like the good and the bad the lessons that we have learned the good things that we've discovered and the dark days that we experienced solomon said this if a man lives many years and rejoices in them all yet let him remember the days of darkness and we do this because the lessons from history are powerful so yes remembrance day is a good thing and in fact if you are a christian you'll find this idea of remembrance all over scripture it's not like you've forgotten things it's not like you've forgotten where your keys are for example and you're trying to desperately remember no no remembrance is a deliberate act it is something that you intentionally do this is what's supposed to happen when you see a rainbow for example the bible tells us the rainbow shall be in the cloud and i will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between god and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth you see the rainbow and you remember the covenant that you have with god but it's not just when you see the rainbow but this act of remembrance actually happens every week the bible tells us to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy remember that to remind ourselves about the sabbath to actually take a day of rest every week to unplug to unwind and we remember it which means we have to do it right don't just think about it we've got to get involved with it so remembrance is a good thing and i think it's a godly thing too we should remember the key events of life that's why i love to celebrate birthdays and my wedding anniversary for example it's why i love to get together with old friends and tell some of the stories from when we were younger we feel something when we do that and i think that's a really godly thing now in this life we may be called to lay down our life for others like millions over the years have done churchill said never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few it's true right there are so many acts of heroism committed by people i have never met and never known and today i remember them and i'm grateful but also in this life it's probably likely that you won't have to lay down your life if you live in places like i live but as we discovered with mary pouring perfume over jesus's feet there are opportunities for us to do something that is memorable that does make a difference and that will be remembered and it isn't just me that sort of things like this too the apostle paul saint paul he wrote the following i thank my god upon every remembrance of paul would often remember those important to him and in so doing he would pray and thank god for them so i think that's what we should do i think we should follow that pattern and do that so what we're going to do is we're going to put a timer up on the screen and observe from the live stream here a two minutes silence and as we do why don't you remember and thank god for those mary's in our lives that have done things that the rest of the world doesn't see but has had a big impact on us let's remember and thank god as for our loved ones that we have lost along the way let's remember and thank god for the service of those known and unknown who have fought for us so that we can enjoy the freedoms that we now have and as christians let's also remember and thank god for the sacrifice of christ the son of god who laid down his life for us and in so doing called us friends ah oh wow so i hope you found that moving i know i certainly did i think it's just an amazing thing to be able to pause and remember sometimes um so yeah i just think that's an amazing thing so we're gonna move on now and um play a song as part of our worship together it's a hymn that we're going to play today called when i survey the wondrous cross it's quite an old hymn um and some of the lyrics are a little bit so old english um but it really links to what matt has just been talking about in terms of and just the centrality of the cross and the importance of jesus sacrifice on the cross sometimes it feels like a strange thing to celebrate as christians this idea that yeah a cross which is really a horrible torture mechanism and that we celebrate that but it's what it represents and that's what this song is all about and it's really beautifully written so just listen to the lyrics um as it comes up now and um yeah perhaps reflect on on what it means and on that sacrifice that jesus made as well today and then after that we're going to move on to conversation street so do also be thinking about what we've been talking about today and remember that you can post all of your comments in the box so be posting any questions or comments you've got and we'll try and pick them up afterwards okay when i surveyed the wondrous on which the prince of glory died richest gay i counted and poor content all pride lord saving the dead of christ my god all the vain things them to his blind see from his head his hands his feet sorrow and love flowing down did such love me or thorns composed richard thank you for the cross i thank you for the cross my lord thank nature my you smile divine my life my own thank you for the cross i thank you for the cross i love you for the cross i love you for your cross i love you for the cross my lord i love you for the cross i love you for the cross i well welcome back uh after that stunningly beautiful song by uh john frank why he didn't write it but he he did it he performed it but he didn't write it it's a beautiful song uh isaac watts actually wrote it a long time ago and it is simply simply stunning one of my favorite songs ever so just putting that out there listen to that again uh if you do like the worship that we do here at crowd it is worth saying that on the youtube channel we have a worship playlist which you can download you can sing along with you can connect with some of the songs that you hear on crowd livestream you can get them on youtube as well and in fact and i don't know if you know this but one of the songs that we've put up on youtube went a little bit viral recently oh really yeah yeah it was the song um oh come all ye faithful believe it or not from last year john did this stunning version of oh come on you faithful we will be playing it again in the christmas uh services that are coming up uh yeah and it's gone a little bit viral at the moment so um even though it's not really christmas yet it started going viral in june i just in june and a lovely lady actually wrote in the comments on there she says you know what i know it's not christmas but this is such a beautiful song and you can do christmas songs all year round and so i was like okay yeah fair play fair play too christmas wasn't that great last year was it it was like kind of blinking you missed it so why not celebrate it in june exactly [Laughter] exactly in the uk we were allowed out for a day uh on christmas so hopefully this year will be a little bit better but no it is a stunningly beautiful song and that song and the when i survey song and all the songs that we do are available in the youtube playlist you are more than welcome to go and get access to them they are on there please do enjoy them um matt cruz put here in the comments i heard christmas in christmas music in the co-op today so wrong now i appreciate this is maybe not the topic what we're going to talk about but christmas music in november yes or no i think yes i think i think once you've got past like bonfire night and halloween then it's acceptable but i don't like it before that that's where i draw the line controversial in our house you're not allowed to play christmas music on any of the playlist until december 1st oh no so when when when do you put your christmas tree up then you're gonna be one of these people like really late no no first weekend of december we have our tradition yeah yeah yeah so we go get a tree and we'll decorate the house first weekend of december is always the same in our house but no christmas music before the first december if i can't eat chocolate in my event calendar we cannot play christmas carols in their houses so slightly controversial maybe yeah sharon's put here i prefer christmas music from december this is now becoming a bit of a hot topic yeah post your comments everyone yeah yeah christmas music in december in november yes or no write your comment uh write your answers in the comments below i'm really curious to see uh what you put i just feel like life is joyless you know like there's a lot of jewelers there's some life at the moment bring it christmas can't come early enough can i bring it up i like that attitude let's get it let's bring it on you know what yesterday zoe and i my daughter and i we went down into town uh we got our first christmas presents uh yesterday so what tends to happen is we'll go and we'll buy stuff that people can then give us for christmas because apparently we're notoriously difficult to buy for uh my wife tells me and um and so i bought christmas pyjamas yes i did so i've got some christmas pajamas coming but are you wearing them yet uh no no it's not christmas i can't i can't open them until 5th or december yeah uh sharon i prefer christmas from december although sometimes certain lodges seek sneak christmas music in earlier that's true the lodges they do break the rules that's another conversation we could have at some point about lodges maybe we should get into anyway so we'll see about lodges that's such a good question you should yes or no that's a good question okay so remember what you wrote in the comments center i noticed actually that you put in there that you you'd not hadn't really thought about this topic much before but the bible has a lot to say about remembrance um what made you write that yeah i mean obviously i've thought about remembrance sunday every year when it comes up but i mean i hadn't really thought about in context of what the bible has to say about it and the importance of remembering i haven't really thought about it from that angle so that was really interesting to actually think that the bible says a lot about thinking back on our history and remembering things that have happened in the past and yeah i just it wasn't something that i'd considered before and maybe maybe that's partly because you know we don't live in war times do we like at least not in our kind of in our western kind of british culture um i know wars happened today still but we're not like living in one our way so i think because yeah perhaps it's just because it's not our everyday reality it's not a subject we wrestle with quite so much um but obviously it's really important to remember but like i hadn't really thought about it from that angle that was all yeah it's an interesting one isn't it and one of the things that when you read uh through scriptures and you you see some of the stuff in there uh there seems to be a lot of feasts uh god commands that you remember and you eat uh it seems that whenever god tells you to do something there's usually food involved which is a winner uh where i'm concerned um but yeah it's like you know you're gonna have a feast and you remember this and you remember that and i'm aware that uh not next weekend i think it's the weekend after it's thanksgiving in the states isn't it the last weekend of november where again you have food and you're thankful for things and i think things like that are just brilliant and they're very they're very fascinating you know and and i think god's for it and i think it's good to remember um we were talking uh because we can talk to each other whilst other stuff is happening just to make sure you know we're both on point um and we were just having a little chat there uh about your grandfather your grandfather was in the raft during the second world war is that right he was yeah my mum's father he helped built an airplane so he helped build some of those fighter planes during the second world war that was his job and also my um father-in-law morris he's no longer with us um but he was in the navy during the second world war and was stationed on ships for five years he was actually a medical um personnel like he wasn't he wasn't like uh military but obviously he he served in terms of looking after those military officers that were injured so yeah i think he saw some fairly horrific things actually but yeah but i mean it's just it's incredible isn't it how so many of us actually know people um in our own families and um yeah who've all been involved in different ways it's one of the things that that i always think when i think about our little boy ben it's like that next generation won't have a direct connection anymore you know like it's another generation removed doesn't it and i think that's why i think remembering's so important yeah it's the more the generations move on the further in history it is and the less the personal connection like feel like you can talk to people our age and there's still a direct connection with family members but you know that won't continue much longer like there's not i remember like even in school like going and talking to people old people in my primary school about what their experiences were of wartime and like kids today wouldn't be you know or in in the future won't be able to do that and hear firsthand accounts because just as the generations meet born there's less and less those people still around doesn't know neither of those neither of those family members are still around for us so you know it's case in point yeah i'm the same as you i i can remember having a conversation with my grandparents um and i i and sharon's grandparents as well you know and and and and these guys were around in the water they had amazing stories sharon's grandfather talking about dunkirk i mean just miracle stuff that was going on there um my great-grandfather lost his life in world war one and i mean obviously i didn't know him but you are like you say we i feel like we're the last generation that had a connection to the those um that the generations that did fight in the great wars and the thing that i've noticed i don't know if you've noticed is the people that wear so i've got my poppy and you've got your poppy and we put a little puppy in the cor the corner of the screen that's like um the younger generations tend not to do um and so people where i appreciate i'm stereotyping a little bit here but typically if people aren't wearing poppies they tend to be younger um and so i was really challenged by that uh scripture where it says you know you're parenting your elders you've got to tell the generations below what happened um and just to pass that down so i was we i heard the stories from my grandparents and i have to tell my kids those stories so they remember because it's not that they are sort of removed from it in some respects but they're not that far and so you know we have to learn those lessons don't we so i do i don't know do you think it's a bit sad that that people is it sad that people aren't wearing poppers as much in the younger generations i don't know i i just feel like that there is a disconnect and i and i feel that that's a bit sad maybe yeah i i think it is i you know i i understand like not everybody likes the idea of war i mean none of us like the idea for do we but i think that's i think that's to oversimplify what the poppy is it's not a celebration of war it's a celebration of the sacrifice for our freedom and i think yeah that is a shame that people not everyone respects that as much today and yeah and i suppose you still get it in school don't you in in history lessons and so there is still that passing on but i think that yeah just maybe less of a direct personal connection um like my little boy last week in in primary school they were doing a poppy appeal at school so he came in with a puppy okay so yeah i think they still do do it but yeah there's definitely less of a connection i would say tell us what you think other people i don't know are we just generalizing here yeah maybe we are maybe we are i don't know what do you want to know what young sharon's put here i'm just going through some of the comments here matt said buy me a pizza and a coke for christmas tar okay so he's getting his christmas wishes in early uh sharon said i love it that we were commanded to have celebrations and feasts oh go on then god if you insist i like that matt's like is it what does the bible say about thanksgiving in a couple of weeks then that's a very good question you know what going back to the thanksgiving thing i i i'm it's one of the few things that really makes me jealous of the americans you know like one time of year that like sorry any american viewers right now but it's one time of year where i really wish i was american like i i have like my sister lives in america and so i have some american family and honestly it's it's the thing that i'm really jealous of about their culture like every year i'm like i just want to do it here just want to just do it anyway just do it yeah i just think it's turkey yeah i think it's a great idea and i i'm always i lived in the states for a few years um and so and i always loved thanksgiving such a great time and so um and i'd much rather do thanksgiving than sort of get all caught up and wrapped up in um black friday do you mean it seems to have kind of overtaken that and i think uh yeah matt cox is in the car hey matt how you doing my older cousin was a royal marine in the 45 commando unit and was killed in action in the falklands war and gosh yeah i remember the falklands war i'm thinking of him oddly i feel i've wrote this um before of her you know what that means okay so uh yeah the falklands war was a big deal uh and i do remember that and um sorry about that lifetime and and also like there's some other big wars in our lifetime actually it's a really good point like the gulf war you know that was when i was you know when i was growing up that was a really big thing like and obviously more recently there's been afghanistan so yeah there's there are some big wars where people i have friends who've lost people in the afghanistan war even but you know the last 20 years so um yeah i think it's a yeah i'm with you i you know have fam i've had family fight in uh the afghan war in the iraq war so it's um it's a tricky one isn't it and and one of the questions that we that comes through all the time and um and today is no exception is you know if god is a god of peace why doesn't he just intervene and stop war and i think that's a really fascinating question um why does god not just come down and go right that's it guys there's no more war because again it's not just england we're talking about literally all over the world you know we see war and there is some horrendous stuff going on around the world and there are some american some amazing aid agencies who are getting involved with humanitarian aid around the world but you kind of think why why do we still live in a world where power hungry men usually with trigger happy fingers are doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing and it's causing the the death of innocent people all over the world and it's horrific so why does god not intervene what do you think and have you got any thoughts on this sorry to throw you in at the deep end i thought i'd ask you before me and ace it's a really hard question isn't it i mean it's one of the first questions i'll be asking god when i get up to heaven or wherever heaven is um i yeah i mean i don't think there's an easy answer to that i think part of it is about free will like good gives us choice it gives us choice to follow him and do what's right or not and unfortunately as you say lots of leaders in our world in particular choose to do what's not right or selfish or power grabbing why doesn't god intervene i think if he into i mean if you intervene then you would you know if you intervene on one thing you intervene on everything don't you it's like where where do you draw the line but if you are god i suppose that that's one philosophical way of looking at it but equally from my like human pain and suffering perspective i mean yeah why doesn't he intervene i don't know i'm not god i i'm not sure it's something we could ever fully answer as human beings or fully understand because all we feel is our pain and our loss and our grief but what do you think yeah i'm with you i think it's quite a complex question to answer um and i think there are there are answers which we have historically given um you know jesus when he talked about um his death burial and resurrection actually said there are going to be wars he actually predicted they were gonna you know this sort of acceleration of wars um and it it comes down to and affect the evilness of man i don't i don't know if i would attribute it to god not intervening rather than you know it's more like a steward we talked to and the you know what does god say about the environment what does the bible say about the environment last week um ellie did a great job talking about stewardship and how we've been you know given stewardship which was great if you've not heard it do check it out and in the same way we're steward in the planet we're supposed to steward each other and supposed to steward people and we i think this the innate selfishness of man and you you mix that together with a bit of power and and and crazy things happen um yeah i think it's a difficult question to answer but i i think the easy thing to do the cop in some respects and i mean this with all due respect the cop out is to go it's god's fault because he's not done anything the difficult thing to do is to go actually i'm i can be quite selfish i might not have killed people but i can demonstrate selfishness and if that's in then it can be in other people and evil is prevalent and real in the world and so i can't just lay this at god's feet i have to take some responsibility here um and search out some answers matt cox because we moved from uh instant to awareness of self perhaps ultimately humans are good god perhaps doesn't get involved because he gave us free will question mark that's a good that's a good observation matt um like anna said like you said i think there's an element of free will um one thing i do know is that god hasn't intervened yet i think it's probably a fair yeah statement there's coming a point most christians believe me included where god just goes you know what guys you're never seen enough from that's it and uh you know christ is coming back and there's a new heaven there's a new earth and there's peace there's no more tears there's no more pain there's no more suffering there's apparently streets made of gold which i'm going to slide down in my socks i keep telling people because you know i'm looking for it so i i would almost say god hasn't intervened yet but there's coming a day when he will uh and i for one i'm looking forward to that day which i mean and i think it's quite an interesting thing sharon's put here just wondering how are humans actually good are humans ultimately good that's a really good do we think human beings are ultimately good and i i would question maybe not left to their own devices you've seen kind of what happens i think there is goodness in people i do think there is goodness in people but i also think every human needs a savior uh hence the reason we do church right just just yeah putting that out so remembrance sunday uh and doing that in church so anna for you you're remembering your grandfather your father-in-law um do you use remembrance sunday as a time to remember uh anyone else like a lot maybe someone that wasn't affected by war but is it just a time to remember um lost loved ones for example it's an interesting thing actually i don't really thought about it from that angle so i would just normally think about people that have been lost through war or that kind of sacrifice um but yeah it's an interesting point that um yeah it may be that some people use it as an opportunity to just reflect on anyone who they've lost and i never really thought about that angle actually but i'm yeah it'd be interesting to know if anyone else does who's watching nicola wrote in the comments remembering helps us to be able to do the same for others um and i think that's really that's actually quite an interesting point that actually remembering the sacrifice of others and that we're here because of you know really choices of other people made on our behalf we've never met i think it's actually very humbling yeah very very humbling i was listening to um and middleton last night zach and i went to watch aunt middleton who's a tv personality here in the uk i saw that on facebook yeah yeah slightly controversial tv personality here in the uk but i we went and listened to him and i i thought what was i thought what he said was was fascinating i thought was interesting um basic sort of surface level psychology really enjoyed it um and it was just interesting some of the the principles he came up with and i think actually a chunk of those do come from scripture that's just again you can see that but one of the things he talked about last night was entitlement and how people these days are walking around with entitlement and i can't repeat to you what he said about entitlement because this is a church service and it is a family church service and i don't want to get flagged by google for language which should be deemed inappropriate anyway basically he said and i'm sure you can imagine what he said uh that you're entitled to absolutely nothing um and i think that's a really interesting idea because when i remember the sacrifice of others and i i'm humbled by that do you mean and there is this entitlement like i've been born and i'm god's gift to the earth and it's like no no hang on a minute there's the there's the flip side of this do you know what i mean i think it was a really interesting point he pulled out yeah and i think it's challenge it's a challenge isn't it because you think about people who've given everything for others and then the kind of flip side of that when you reflect on it is well what are you gonna do then for others you know like those who've been given much then should also give much that that isn't always our response to like being given much but it should be and particularly it's those of us who are christians that's that's the idea of a faith isn't it that actually jesus has given you everything and actually what are you gonna do with your life now that's gonna be of value and really count and make the world better um and i think yeah it's it's something that i don't think yeah people necessarily will feel as much anymore i don't know are we quite a individualist society now where we think about self a lot i feel like yeah some of our sense of like some of our sense of like kind of society as a whole seems to be breaking down and that's quite interesting um but i think it's so important that we all see ourselves as part of a bigger society and because you know we don't all live as islands do we we're all interconnected as we've seen with cavid and other things in the last couple years yeah no i couldn't agree more i couldn't agree with that fascinating maybe we'll do a talk on what the bible say about individualism at some point it doesn't like it it's probably the answer it's the short answer to that question it's not a fan uh if i'm honest um but i love what nicola wrote and actually i do think about the sacrifice and service of others challenges me to go how am i like you said how am i serving how am i making the world a better place and and i like the story of mary magdalene um because mary was she just watched jesus's feet with her hair and perfume and somehow that has been remembered throughout all of times so you know it can be the simplest things can't it uh what we got here eluned kettle have i pronounced that right yeah related how's my mother-in-law ah hello mother-in-law we've just been talking about her late husband's saying she's written in here i think it's important that remembrance day is dedicated to remembering the many mostly young men and women who have given the ultimate sacrifice in the various wars that have ensured our freedom in fact let me put this on the screen i'm reading this out here uh there we go you can all see it now in view of what you were saying earlier it would be a shame for it to be clouded uh by other personal loss maybe we should make more of all saints day that's very interesting uh very yeah good comment there uh you're gonna have an interesting conversation with your mother-in-law uh about that no doubt yeah we'll have to pick it up later yeah yeah absolutely that sounds great and i appreciate the comment uh sharon i'm very humbled by people i hear about in the news who bravely tried to stop terrorist attacks and so on by putting themselves in danger yep yeah absolutely um fascinating yeah enjoying the conversation in the comments sir i'm not keeping up with everything that's going uh it's just quite tricky to read that and to have a conversation on the screen yeah but somehow it was somehow we manage it i don't quite know um but now that's fascinating and i think i think your mum's uh she's put here we always do uh with a smiley face which is great so um i thought it was very interesting comment that actually uh today is remembrance sunday and it is to remember those who have fallen who have given their lives as a sacrifice um and you know lots of young men and women who were sent terrified to the front lines and have been uh not just in years gone by but are still presently being sent over our thoughts our prayers and our thanks and our gratitude are with you and if you know someone who's in the military why not just send them a text or to say thanks one of the things that i always do actually whenever i meet someone from the military is just first thing same with the nhs first thing to say thanks for your service really appreciate your service yeah it's just it's just it's a beautiful thing to do so yes oh apparently uh many thanks to merseyside police for attending the exploding car at the women's hospital today yeah we heard about that earlier today only because i work in uh comms in the nhs that came up on my phone oh yeah sounds quite horrific uh i i genuinely don't know anything about that um i've not seen the news so yeah i don't know what to say about that thoughts and prayers with everybody uh that's only down that's when my kids were born so um that's a little bit mine well um and on on that note uh that's the end of this week's live stream thank you so much for joining us i hope you've enjoyed the conversation i feel like we're just tipping starting to starting to get in the conversation um next week as uh we said earlier on we are carrying on the conversation the right reverend john harding is with us uh next week uh talking about what does the bible say about marriage and relationships which i am very much looking forward to getting into um so john's gonna be with us next week after that we've got james and hannah sloane doing a double act on what does the bible say about money and wealth which you know is going to be good and then it's december and the christmas music will start so just to let you know what's coming up um but uh again i think what we're going to do is we're going to close out the live stream now with another song when that song finishes the live stream will end automatically so that's in effect it from myself and anna thank you so much for joining us and as we said today is a day of remembering and we remember those who have uh like say paid the ultimate sacrifice and if you are a member of our armed services thank you so much uh for your service so uh anna anything else from you no just thank you for being here today and if you've got anything else to say on a subject we'll obviously hang around afterwards so keep the comments coming and um yeah we'll see you soon indeed we shall bless you have a great week and we'll see you next time city living god heavenly jerusalem by his blood we have come to mount zion thousands of angels dance around thousands more sing out new songs elders throw their crowns sings out worthy is is the one he has come to death will follow him he has has come to death and i will follow