(240) When Someone Else Gets The Win (Genesis Part 9) - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvF8iQ80Hg

Transcript: (00:00) very warm welcome to crowd Church the very technical efficient always working always on church that we are never have any issues beside me is the beautiful Jack marinina who's joined me to host Tonight hello lovely to see you all I think you might have been able to hear my ramblings before but lovely to see it it's like Saturday Night Takeaway isn't it Anon deck eaty heart out yeah I I bet you they don't have these Tech issues no they don't they used to I think it was the foring of them so you never know watch okay yeah yeah fair play but no (00:30) listen thank you for being with us thank you for joining us online tonight we are hopefully looking at the story of Kane and Abel one of the most famous stories from the Bible we're going through the Book of Genesis I think this is Genesis part nine is that right sounds I think so yeah yeah part nine uh and Pete's going to be talking to us about Kan Andel then hopefully we're going to get all the microphones working because when we have conversation Street we're going to need at least three three Dan have we got all three working we have so the (01:00) green one's working as well is that right can can is that are we getting green on the screen zo ah listen here have a microphone Pete thank you very much wooo we got there finally you take so much for granted when you do online church it's not even funny uh but listen very warm welcome to you thank you so much for being with us without further Ado let me bring on this very goodlooking gentlemen uh to my left uh Mr Pete butland Pete there's going to be a little thing you'll see on the screen like a little intro that Zoe is going to play and then you'll be on let's get (01:34) Pete on well thank you it's smooth and Slick my church in in West Arby in Liverpool my church has a reputation for kind of being chaotic and everything going wrong normally the notices that we give out are wrong there's a mistake there some somehow and and I basically I've brought it with me so you're very welcome you're very welcome it's the gift I bring to offer you um as as Matt said We are continuing our journey through Genesis we're looking at the story of Cain and Abel it's in Genesis chapter 4 it's like the ultimate sibling rivalry with a (02:11) tragic tragic end it goes Way Beyond who's better at sports who's got the best exam results and it deteriorates into tragedy um it would be really good I think just to read through some of Genesis chapter 4 and get a bit of a grasp on on the story I'm not going to read all of it I'm just selected Parts but um just to get a a bit of a a Time line of what's going on in the story and then then I'll share sort of what I feel God's given me to to share so you've got Adam and Eve and they uh they have children they have Cain and they have Abel and it says in Genesis uh chapter 4 (02:44) verse two it says Abel kept flocks when and Cain worked the soil in the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord but Abel also brought an offering fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock the Lord looked with with favor on Abel and his offering but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor so Cain was very angry and his face was downcast then the Lord said to Cain why are you angry why is your face downcast if you do what is right will you not be accepted but if you do not do what is right sin is crouching at your door it desires to have you but you (03:21) must rule over it now Cain said to his brother Abel let's go out to the field and while they were in the field Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him and if we skip down to uh verse 11 this is what um the Lord says to Cain now you are under a curse and uh driven from the ground which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand when you work the ground it will no longer yield its crops for you you will be a Restless Wanderer on the earth and then in verse 14 Cain says I will be a Restless Wanderer on the earth and whoever Finds Me will kill me and then God says no I will put a protection (03:59) on you so that no one will kill you now in what may seem like a random segue I wonder if you've ever given or received an emergency Christmas present an emergency Christmas present is that thing that you have in stock wrapped and ready to go so when That Awkward Moment happens and someone gives you a Christmas present and you weren't expecting them to you've got something to give back because we know that the very British awkwardness of being given a gift and not being able to give one back is just awful (04:30) so if someone gives you a gift you're not expecting it you can at least say I've got one for you as well even if it wasn't really intended for them the problem with that is when you give a a gift in that way it's not really being given from the heart it's not being given with love it's not being given personally it's being given to fulfill a duty to to complete an obligation to to tick a a box and say get I did that I've done it it's okay I've given a gift and this is the attitude that we see from Cain when Cain comes and brings (05:01) an offering to God he doesn't say God I'm bringing you a gift and I'm delighted to do it because I love you and I want to honor you with a gift Cain thinks God's demanding something from me I've got to give him something so that's what I'll do Cain gives out of Duty and compulsion and obligation he doesn't give out of love his heart was not in it it was an attitude of resentment that he had to give from what he had and itude affects actions I'm going to continue the illustration with a tub which I've just (05:36) thrown on the floor which is just to enhance the slickness of what's happening this evening I have just thrown a tub of sweets all over the floor it's a tub a purple tub of sweets which I don't know whether for advertising purposes we can name but it's a tub of suets that gets given out around about Christmas I'm going to share those with you okay are you ready here they come catch oh I did did I don't I've just been accused of giving off the rubbish tweets which is a terrible ungrateful thing to say this makes for really really good video um I may not be invited back yeah (06:22) yeah now folks I've just given sweet out to what have I just given you from this tub of quality street am I allowed to say quality stre what have I given you other brands are available but I've got quality Street tonight and I have given you all the same thing which is a toffee Penny why have I given you a toffee Penny because I personally cannot be bothered with a toffee Penny they're hard they're really sticky they feel like they're going to pull your teeth out and frankly I don't want them so I've given you the sweet that I would least like to have for myself don't take it personally that's just what I've (06:58) given you this is is how Cain gave he gave out of Duty and obligation not because he wanted to but because he felt he had to and then when he gave he didn't give the best of what he had he gave what he was happiest to lose this is the attitude that Cain comes with I don't really want to give an offering to God but I'll have to do it and when I do it I'll give the bare minimum it says that Cain brought some of the fruit uh from his crops some and then it says Abel brought the fat portions from the firstborn of his flock (07:36) so he didn't just bring the best of what he had he took the best of what he had his first born and he chose the best of that and that's what he gave to God and it tells us that God Favored Abel he looked with favor on what Abel had brought and he didn't look with favor on what Cain had brought Cain's Furious his feelings about the situation are written all over his face and God says what's up with you you know what to do I've explained to you how this works I've poured out my uh abundance upon the Earth I've given you everything I've given you creation as a gift to you (08:16) because I love you and because I want a relationship with you and kan's response is to say I'm going to give you the bare minimum to tick a box and fulfill an obligation Cain doesn't seem to have twigged that God desires a deep and true relationship with his created humans God has given his best to us poured out his abundance to us in creation and simply asks us to give our best in return in a reaction of love he wants a deep and true loving relationship with his children he wants us to recognize who he (08:50) is and what he's done for us and respond in kind but Cain's view of God is distorted and twisted rather than recognizing God's goodness he sees God as demanding not loving he sees God as domineering not generous he sees God as controlling and not kind Cain has given reluctantly not his best and then he sulks when he doesn't get the favor uh from God and God speaks to Cain he says Cain this is not a good start you are putting yourself in a position where you are going to be tempted to live a life life of sin where (09:31) sin is just waiting to take over you need to take control and and not let it happen and we see what Kane's reaction is Cain's reaction is to tempt his brother and call him out into the field and kill him we heard from will last week that evil uh comes in three three words power perversion and pain Cain sees his brother's power he sees that Abel has been favored by God and he thinks I don't like that I want that power I want the authority that comes from God's favor he resents it he wants it for himself and because he's got this uh (10:10) perverted and distorted view of who God is and what he's like and what our relationship with God is like he's decided that God just doesn't care about him and from that perverted perspective comes the decision to choose violence to inflict pain will Cain rule over the creature that's crouching at his door that that sin no and his mom and dad didn't either Adam and Eve were given the opportunity to rule over sin they were given the whole earth and creation to rule over God says subdue it rule over it and yet in the first chapter of Genesis we see the serpent the snake comes to them and (10:46) says you're missing out you know God's not given everything that you that he could he's held back things from you take more there's more for you and rather than ruling over the snake and saying no God has given us everything we need Adam and Eve surrender and submit and they lose out so Kan actually carries on the family tradition it's an inherited tradition that he gives in he surrenders to the Temptation so this is a story of jealousy and sibling rivalry it is a story that is about two brothers one (11:17) jealous of what the other one has and and responding and reacting in the wrong way but to be honest those are just the outcomes because there's something a lot deeper going on what we see in the story of c and are the natural consequences of a wrong and distorted view and understanding of God and our relationship with him so let's just look a little bit more closely what is the root cause of the issues going on here it's not just two brothers who are competitive I think if you look at the the sinful moments that we see at the start of Genesis from Adam and Eve's Disobedience Cain's reluctant giving his (11:55) his jealousy and his sulking the murder of Abel and then when Cain Gaslight God God says to him where's your brother he says I don't know how should I know I'm not in charge when Cain does all those things and and the sin we see from Adam and Eve all those things come down to a lie that is told that says that God is Not Enough Adam and Eve convinced that they haven't got enough they haven't got everything they need God has held things back from them and they're entitled to more and that God isn't giving them (12:26) enough Cain is convinced that God hasn't given him enough and so when it comes to bringing his offering he holds back what he thinks he needs he takes what he thinks is enough for him because God hasn't given that to him so he holds back his best to make sure he's got enough and gives God the bare minimum in return and when Cain sees that God is favoring Abel he's Furious because by rights Cain is the firstborn he should be getting the blessing from God he should be receiving that favor so he feels like he's not being honored enough (12:58) he feels like he's not re respected Enough by God and from that feeling of not being enough comes the desire for violence to pull down Abel and to elevate himself so that's that's my sense of where sin kind of originates from at the start of Genesis that there is a sense a lie that is told about God that says God is Not Enough he's not given you enough and as a result you are not enough you must take responsibility and get what you need we get a distorted perverted picture of God being mean-spirited tightfisted and (13:36) uncaring and this leads to humans feeling they don't have enough they are not enough and must do whatever they need to do to put that put that right and that's exactly what Cain does uh when he brings his offering to God he keeps what he thinks he needs he stores it up and takes responsibility for himself and thinks I've got this I'll take what I need and he just gives God the bare minimum of what he's got left he gives God the leftovers and then having given God The Leftovers he wants God's favor as well he's got no right to expect it he (14:13) shouldn't and it just shows that basic misunder understanding that Cain has which is that if you tick the Box this legalistic God will say yes you've met the criteria you've done what I asked you to do therefore you get your blessing but God sees the heart and he knows that Cain's heart is not not in what he's doing I want to give three examples of um what this looks like in practice because I think what the behavior and the attitudes that we see from Kane and from Abel apply directly to how we live today let me give you one example I've had (14:47) some terrible cars over the years uh one was a Mazda and one was a Volvo now they are two of the most reliable cars you could ever imagine and yet I bought two terrible cars I don't know how it happens no I do it happened because I did what I thought was right I did my research I trolled the internet I found the best deals I bought the cars and they were terrible and I've had a habit over the years of buying a car sitting in it on the first day after I've bought it and going God would you bless this car that (15:21) I have decided to buy and already paid for it's too late now so you're going to have to bless it please and that's kind of the wrong way to go about it isn't it what if I actually came to God and said God I'm at the point where I think I need a new car I need to change car would you guide me and Lead me and show me what you would like me to drive and how you want me to do it would you give me the opportunity would you help me to know how to use the finances that you've given me and there is something in giving that whole decision to God that is about giving our (15:52) best it's a it's a bit like buying a car asking God to bless it and then saying I tell you what Lord find me a parking space that's the bit I'll pray about find me a parking space now a few years ago 10 years or so ago I was a a teacher and I was ready to go into um School leadership I'd be at the point where I've been teaching a few years and it was time to kick on with the career to to move into a position of responsibility to earn some more money to be quite honest uh it was it was time it was just the natural next step for me in my career and uh so I was ready I'd (16:28) signed up to a leaders ship training program I was it was all laid out I knew what my kind of 5ye and 10e plans were and yet I just felt God was saying I've got something else for you I've got something different that I would like you to do now I could have said no this is this is what I'm doing this is my career this is my future I need to earn the money I'm entitled to earn I need to um take on the responsibility that that I'm worthy of I need to fulfill my potential but God was asking me to step out of um teaching and to move into church ministry and so I did the doors (17:07) opened and and the pathway was laid before me and all I had to do was step forward and do it but that took an Act of of offering of offering myself and my best part of myself and saying this is me this is our careers often Define us and I was having to say God I trust you with my career I'm giving it to you this is the best part of who I am I place it before you and I trust that as I step into what you've got for me I will find your favor and I was uh reflecting that 10 years down the line I'm now earning (17:43) about the same amount that I was earning 10 years ago which is just not how you go about a career is it that is absolutely not the way to do it and yet we have never gone without we have never been short of anything God's provision God's kindness God's generosity has just been uh evident throughout because I didn't do it my way I didn't make my own decisions and look after myself and give God the leftovers I said yes Lord you can have it all third example and it's always the best example because it's (18:17) Jesus Jesus is the perfect example isn't he of the one who offered everything of himself he could because he is God he could have said to the father I'm not doing this plan where I die and I suffer I'm gonna do something else I'm gonna come up with something else I want you to bless it father because I'm going to do that instead instead it says in Philippians chapter 2 it says Jesus in being being in very nature God did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own Advantage rather he made (18:52) himself Nothing by taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness and and being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself by being obedient to death even death on a cross therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name when Jesus brought his whole self completely in surrender as an offering to to the father yes there was that awful humility that he had to endure and yet there was the ex the uh exaltation that came as a result do we know that God is enough do we know that he has given us (19:38) enough he's given us enough in terms of his provision for our our our financial needs our material needs our relationships everything is there for us do we recognize that do we trust him enough with our reputation do we trust him enough with our finances and our work do we trust him enough to let Lay It All Before him and say God this is for you because you love me and you've given me everything I could possibly need I think that's the point I will leave it I will hand back to the guys and move into conversation (20:20) Street fantastic Matt comes wow I absolutely love that I didn't get a chocolate though um but I don't one because I'm going to I'm going to be like a friend to those who are watching online but I'm glad people here and also I'd still be getting toffee out of my mouth but I actually I love that idea I love that thought of uh the emergency Christmas present um I feel quite bad for all the ones that I've given now I thought it was I thought I'd been really G like sneaky and clever always having a box of chocolates in the back cupboard well you can't go wrong with chocolate can you really you can't box of (20:57) chocolates and I do like the IDE I mean they're all on the floor down here but I do like the idea of taking all the rubbish ones out putting them in a box and then giving them to people is that the point I I mean you've maybe missed it just a little bit but it's it's maybe just a little bit maybe just well listen guys uh Pete thank you for the talk man it was great loved it I love this story about Kane and Abel and um this idea of sacrifice and what it means and there's a i I want to get into this because there's a number of questions here uh let me go back to the beginning (21:37) um how should Cain have responded to God's rejection of his offering what lessons can we learn about handling disappointment because that's a really interesting question right in this story um you have Caine who who fails for one for better expression and rather than examine his own shortcomings he becomes resentful and he becomes bitter um and that's probably not the best way to deal with that situation but we see so many people I think in modern culture doing this right and and so we can learn from this story and go (22:18) actually what are some of the lessons that we can learn from this and examine our own heart so what what do you think so I mean it's it's it's not entirely clear from from from the past passage whether Cain's gift is accepted or not it sort of implies that it is and it's just the issue is more that God favors AEL so it's it's not so much that Kane is rejected it's more that Abel is preferred and that's as a as a sibling that is not a nice feeling to have um I think what I think what's kind of mad is (22:48) Cain just doesn't get God at all he's just completely misunderstood who God is and what God's like and so when When God says hey just be careful here he doesn't think all right I'll be careful he just doubles down he doubles down on the the the the the the selfishness and the I must sort this out and and and so I think the short answer is he should have tried to be more like his brother but who who really wants who wants to hear that yeah yeah yeah who wants to hear that comment have you got any thoughts on this yeah I (23:23) think ultimately it's as if he doesn't believe I love what people talking about about you know do we believe that God has enough and it's as if he's thinking well I've missed the blessing yeah and I think that's one of the key parts of this story that there is enough blessing to go around yeah for all and God is enough but he's so caught out I got a 10-year-old and a seven-year-old and there are moments where something happens and the emotions just overwhelm them and they cannot get out of that anger or jealousy or that you know this morning someone took my daughter's was balloon I couldn't find it anywhere and (24:00) that was it for half an hour wow and I kind of see that in Kane it's like duh once you look into a story and it's explained brilliantly by Pete and you can look into it and dwell in it in it you're like come on Kane there is enough and you know it's as if actually God would have accepted his offering yeah if and he's giving him enough chance he's not you know it's not one strike and you're out with God but God is engaging with him um Pastor is engaging with him trying to to let him see he wants to bless Kane but he just isn't getting it yeah and so how should he respond I (24:38) don't know what what you do in those moments when he you just can't see the wood from the trees but he shouldn't have gone undone what he did that much we do know and I think I think you're right I think there's this I read the story and I see kan's inability for self-reflection he if I was to put like modern phraseology on it he's very narcissistic it's all about him right and so he didn't get his way and there's a great quote which says that true sacrifice involves giving up something valuable for a greater good (25:11) often requiring struggle and self-discipline Cain's failure lies in his unwillingness to make such a sacrifice and accept the responsibility for that right and I think I look at it and I and I think here's a story of a man and yeah I speak to men here here's a story of a man who did not accept responsibility who put blame on somebody else who became what we now call victim culture right he was the victim he becomes angry not at his brother necessarily but God and the whole institution itself that's what he's (25:48) railing against um and I think you can't do that you God requires something more of us you know and sacrifice is laying something down in US whether it's that feeling or need to be angry and bitter and go you know what this is not the best way forward and and and and putting that down you know so I think that self-reflection that humility was missing um and I I I see it on Twitter every day well no it's not Twitter now is it it's X I see it on X or Facebook or whatever just that I am right you are wrong and this is the way it is you know and and I think we can learn learn so much from that yeah I guess sacrifice (26:32) that thought as you're talking why would we sacrifice something it's got to be because we believe in the reason to sacrifice it's it's quite difficult just to sacrifice for the sake of sacrificing there's got to be a reason and for him I think it comes back down to I mean what else might it be if it's if it's not him believing God is enough yeah yeah I think it's a heart issue is what it comes down to his heart is not in it he sees the he sees a transactional God who if you put the right amount of coins in the slot yeah you'll get the stuff back out there's no actual desire to honor (27:08) God and give God what God is worth in response to to what God's done it's just uh I have to do this thing so that I can get this thing out and then and God says no that's not how it works I I can see that you don't really care yeah and so of course I'm not going to favor you and prefer what you've what you've done yeah one of the questions that's come in here is um trus in God if God is enough which is obviously a very power do do we know that God is enough I think is a very powerful question but does trusting him mean giving up free will for our Liv so (27:41) where does free will connect in with this so because we would say as Christians we have free will right that this is one of the big reasons we read Genesis and it's the overarching theme is there is free will but is it free will if ultimately we have to trust God God anyway do you I mean I suppose it's free will in the in the choice to trust God but if we don't and things that go wrong is that really Free Will so what do you think that's a bit of a philosophical big question isn't it yeah yeah yeah first (28:15) thoughts I guess yes we've got free will um but the consequence of going our own way not God's way aren't great so we have free will yeah we we have free will um and I think uh for me why do I choose to do things God's works because time and time again I've tried things my own way at my young years of 38 and now increas stop it but increasingly I do find actually God's way is best yeah um and so now that sacrifice is is a joyful thing it's a it's a bit more second nature um to to to do the right thing most of the time not all the time um but I think (29:06) we do have free will and and ultimately now the sacrifice of doing it God's way is actually I feel better doing it because I know I'm going to be blessed in this way and I know I'm going to please the father if I do it in these ways um so I think experience does have something to play into it as well and I think Free Will is an element of choice isn't it and the Bible says I've I've I've set before you death and life blessing and curse therefore choose life right you get to make the choice um I've set before you donuts and a carrot you know too many calories not enough (29:43) calories therefore choose the healthy option you I mean we have free will that doesn't always create the right outcome but we have have free will in that I think um Callum wants to know uh oh Anna said here I think that's so true we can easily treat God like a transaction if you do x uh if I do X you'll give me y it's very very true um Callum says how do we discern from our voice and God's voice can you speak from personal experience how do you know like so your story right when you were a teacher and (30:20) you talked about how you felt God was saying no no you're not doing that anymore come do this was that God was that too much PE the night before how did you figure that out I don't have any issues with dairy so I don't think it was that um I think I think for me there was just there was a sense of being unsettled and a sense of being a restlessness in my spirit it might be quite a good spiritual way to put it there was just a sense of I'm doing this because this feels like what I'm supposed to do but it doesn't quite (30:52) feel right and um what I what I actually did because it took a it was a process of two three months I I basically took some time and I and I prayed and fasted and I and I and I I had a journal and I met with a loads of different Christian leaders to talk about what's it like what's it like running a church what kind of things do you need to what kind of characteristics do you need what how did you know how did you know you were called to do this because I wanted to I wanted to be absolutely sure that if I was going to do this it was a calling yeah yeah I in all honesty I was quite (31:23) happy to leave education yeah okay but I didn't leave education because I wanted to leave education I left because I was called into something else and I so so I think for me it was taking the time to stop and listen and pray and seek and ask what is is this a calling on my life and I think one of the things that really clinched it for me was there was there was one day where I was lined up I had a meeting lined up with a with a a church leader um and my my verse for the day was there's there's the um there's (31:55) the the verse and I've completely forgot where it is Jackie will probably help me where it names the different um roles of callings Ephesians 4 that's it yes thank you exactly and literally and and that was the that was the kind of the thought for the day that came through by email but it it only said Su are called to be pastors yeah it left all the others off yeah and on the day that I was going to meet a church leader to talk about the possibility that I might be called to do that that was it yeah yeah and so it was little things like that and the way all the doors opened in terms of getting a a parttime (32:27) role that enabled me to and study yeah my church paid for me to study all of those things the doors just opened and it was just so clear that that was what I was being called to do and I think that's a really powerful point that you with such a big decision you took time you talked to other people about it you prayed about it you weren't in a rush the Bible says if you make haste you're unwise um and I think discer listen if you're watching online and you're a Christian just write in the comments how do you know it's God talking to you share a story share a thought share an idea we' love to hear (32:58) how do you know it's God speaking because there are some psychologists that would say hearing voices not a good thing do you know what I mean and so how do we know we're not all psychotic yeah and I I was thinking that there's some big moments in life that you really want to be sure of um so I've had a number of examples where even recently I'm saying God would you show us um which way to go on a certain thing um with with work and we're asking a couple of people just for prophetic words words that they might pray about (33:34) uh it might be a scripture it might be a picture and it's happened a number of times in my life where I've asked two or three people um to help me discern God's voice because a really big decision and I can give those examples I won't just for for time um but I love this concept of in Matthew 18 the concept of the kingdom of God coming from being like a child and that that thought of as a one or twoyear old picking up on learning language comes it takes a long time to hear your mother and father's voice and (34:07) to learn a language and I think um this is one of the big things to grow as a disciple of Jesus that we learn to hear his voice it's really important but it doesn't come quickly and we just so the small examples and the small things that we go through every day that's where the fun is and just my encouragement would be just give it a go try you're going to get it wrong sometimes um but when you look back a year two years in you'll be like oh this is how you hear God and this is when reading the word and (34:37) something jumps out to me this is when it wasn't the word jumping out to me I just like that yeah um but then another time it was God speaking or a sunrise or something or uh often for me it's prophetic words and two or three coming within the space of a couple of weeks I'm like oh that's got to be God saying something to me yeah and I think that the thing is Jesus said my sheep us basically um I know I don't look like sheep but apparently I am um my sheep know my voice right and the voice of a stranger they will not follow Jesus said (35:10) that I think in John 14 and I think the thing that I've learned is there are God is a creative God there is an infinite number of ways he is going to communicate to us it's never going to be the same way twice it just isn't but God will get through it us and we will know that has been my general experience I think just to add to that you you recognize one of the ways you recognize God's voice is that it's unusual yeah you almost have to expect the unexpected yeah so logic told me that I go into school leadership now that's my next step convention tells me that's what you do colleagues would tell me that's what (35:45) you do and actually God said something different and that's almost one of the ways you can tell it's God because it's not what you're expecting it's not what everyone else is saying it's it almost not quite defies logic and you can test it out by looking at scripture and saying does this fit with what I understand about God does it fit with what people have experienced but yeah expecting the unexpected as part of it as well that's such a good point um love this question when does Cain's question am I My Brother's Keeper uh sorry what does Kane's question am I My (36:15) Brother's Keeper reveal about his attitude towards responsibility for others and how does this apply to us today Jack I just I love being able to you know I just love asking question you having the question it was funny cuz I said to my my Judit today at lunch because he' clearly done something and I quoted this back at him um because we've been looking at it you know yeah and uh I don't know the answer to that question can you ask the question again it was quite a long long one so I'll try and read it more clar clearly this time what does Kane's (36:55) question am I My Brother's Keeper so that was a question Kan as to God right what does that reveal about his attitude towards responsibility for others how does this apply to us today I still don't really have an answer but so chip in I I can share something on that so there is something this kind of reflects a little bit about this unexpected stiff the unexpectedness of God which is this this this thing that doesn't make sense in any other area of society if you if you look at everything around around us (37:28) it says look after yourself the the the it's all about self um self fulfillment follow your dreams self-esteem exactly all of that stuff and yet God says look after others yeah and when you do that you'll find fulfillment for yourself yeah it doesn't make sense yeah and so and and Kane experiences that he's like nothing to do with me even though he just killed him so there's definitely a bit of gaslighting going on you it's kind of you know who who at that last donut what donut you know it's that kind of thing isn't it but so there's something of that going on but there's also I'm not responsible for that (38:07) because he's got that that that mindset that says I need I'm responsible for myself and therefore he's responsible for himself whereas God says love your neighbor yeah as you love yourself yeah and you can't get away from it can you um bye Ivy sneaking off there Ivy did worship earlier on it was beautiful bless you um yeah I think I think it's I think it's such an important Point you're right that Christianity is quite unique in its calling in that we live in a world in a society which is so hyper individualistic right and it's All About (38:45) Me My Rights my wants and I think it's changing in some respects but I I I think and again this comes back to the self-sacrifice doesn't it you can't you can't be sacrificial if it's all about you I'm sacrificing this for myself it just doesn't work does it and so um it's it's all about laying me laying something down for the benefit of somebody else am I My Brother's Keeper yes in many ways you are um now am I responsible for crazy things they do not necessarily but I scripture is clear you've got to prefer them above yourself right you've got to love them as Christ loved the (39:23) church that doesn't mean I have to like everybody which is is very good news um but I do have to love everybody and I think I think it's a really interesting one in a culture which values self and selfishness at such a high rate isn't it you know the the me me myself and I kind of thing yeah I was listening to a podcast the other day just in Bry and he was talking about how actually you know there is this obsession with self and yet we are in the middle of the biggest Mental Health crisis globally that has (39:54) ever been known and yet the obsession is with self which clearly tells that that's not working yeah yeah self-help self-esteem all that when it comes from self is fundamentally problematic and again it goes back to what you said I think right at the start Pete this for me then becomes a question of identity do I mean who are you and where do you get that sense of identity from does it come from the depths of Christ himself and I think it has to um if we're going to have any any sense of purpose any sense of meaning going forward you know (40:30) um but yeah there's a few more questions which we've not got time to get to but thank you so much uh for your questions I enjoyed conversation Street tonight is that right I enjoyed it too thank you very much for posting in those questions and um are we getting a round of applause from The Young members of the audience there yeah come on and thank you Pete that was absolutely fantastic yeah yeah yeah absolutely thanks Pete thanks for coming in uh next week we have our very own Dan orange speaking to is that right Dan you (41:01) are aware of this yeah so Dan speaking to us next week that means Matt you're on tech means I'm on Tech so we really need to fix this problem because I will not have a clue um so yeah so Dan's joining as next I think Anna is hosting with Jan so do come and join what are you talking about next week the flood did it happen did it not happen was it worldwide was it just still isolated instant we're going to get into all of that I don't know if you're actually going to talk about that Dan but I've told everybody you are now so you might have to change (41:36) it there's lot there's definitely lots to fit in so do come join us for part 10 of the conversation with Genesis uh we are going to sign off in just a few seconds before we go let me tell you if you are online and you would like to come join us in the Google meets room as soon as this live stream ends give me about 30 seconds and we will open up the Google meets room I'll be in there Pete will come and say hi Jack's going to come say hi we would love to meet you online so do come and say hello come if (42:07) you got more questions come and ask them but if you've been in before come back come say hi it'd be great to see you um the URL is go. crowd. church meet it'll be in the comments hopefully zo is that right yep we got got a thumbs up there which is great so they in the comments uh do come join us we would love to see you in there but anything else from you in closing ja i i in thinking that we're going to get Noah next week I'm just reminded that God so wants a people for himself he's he's adamant he's um bent on getting a person whose lineage (42:44) would get somebody who can defeat this snake so that's my little setup for next week I don't know if you're going to you're going to cover that but you just see that God so wants a people for himself and uh a flood is next in store on this story throughout the Bible that we're going through so very good yeah it's fantastic it's good thank you Pete anything else from you in closing B any final thoughts um no don't don't kill your siblings probably be my my main takeaway main takeaway do not kill your brother it's not worth it you heard it here first that's all I'm saying or (43:20) maybe not first but you heard anyway uh thank you so much for joining us it's been great to be with you God bless you do get in touch with us would love to hear from you love to hear your story uh but that's it from all of us here at crowd bye for now [Music] [Music] [Music]