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Why did Jesus Die? Alpha Course 03

11 July 2021 · Pete Farrington

This week, Pete looks at one of the most asked questions about the Christian faith - why do we always talk about the death of Christ? Why is it so important that He was hung on a cross? Why do Christians wear a cross around their neck? Isn't it all a bit morbid? Or is there more to it than that?

01The Most Important Message in All of History

Why did Jesus die? It is arguably the central question of the Christian faith, and yet it is one that many people — even those who have spent years in church — struggle to articulate clearly. Jerry Bridges called it "not only the most important message in all of history" but "the only essential message in all of history." That is a bold claim. But if it is even half true, it is worth understanding properly.

In this episode of Crowd Church, Matt Edmundson is joined by Anna Kettle, and the talk comes from Pete Farrington. This is part of the Alpha Course series, and Pete wastes no time getting to the heart of the matter.

02Starting With a Famous Verse

Pete begins with John 3:16, probably the most well-known verse in the entire Bible: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

It is a verse that gets quoted so often it can lose its edge. But Pete wants to focus on a word that often gets overlooked — "perish." Why would anyone have to perish? What is the problem that makes the death of Jesus necessary in the first place?

03The Problem of Sin

To answer that, Pete goes to the Old Testament, where the prophet Jeremiah speaks on behalf of God: "Be appalled, O heavens, at this. Be shocked. Be utterly desolate, declares the Lord. For my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves — broken cisterns that can hold no water."

Sin, Pete explains, simply means missing the mark — falling short of God's standard. But it is a problem on two levels.

First, it is destructive. It shatters the "cisterns" of our lives so that peace, joy, love, and comfort seep out through the cracks. One glance at a history book — or today's headlines — confirms that there is virtually no end to the ways we can hurt ourselves and each other.

But that is only the surface. The deeper problem is that sin is a rejection of God himself. We have turned away from "the fountain of living waters" and tried to find satisfaction elsewhere. Pete describes it vividly: "It's as if we've turned away from a deep well of life-giving water and we're just kneeling in the dirt trying to scoop up some sewage water."

04No Degrees of Good and Bad

Pete addresses the objection that most people would raise at this point: "Sure, I've made mistakes, but deep down I'm a good person."

The Bible, Pete argues, does not categorise people into different degrees of good and bad. According to God's standard, "you, Mother Teresa, Adolf Hitler, and I are all in the same boat." It is a jarring statement, but it is grounded in what Jesus himself taught.

In Matthew 5, Jesus says that anyone who looks at someone with lustful intent has already committed adultery in their heart. In Mark 12, he says to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. How many of us pass that standard consistently?

Paul writes in Romans: "There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks God. All have turned away."

05Love and Justice Are Inseparable

Pete anticipates another objection: if God is love, why can he not just let it go? Cut us some slack?

His answer is that love and justice cannot be separated. "If we love Jews, we must hate the holocaust. If we love Jews, it follows that we must hate anti-semitism." It is precisely because God is good, beautiful, kind, and perfect that he cannot tolerate sin. A God who simply ignored evil would not be loving — he would be negligent.

And here is the uncomfortable truth: while we have all been victims of evil, we have all been perpetrators of it too. If real, ultimate justice were to be executed, "the finger would be turned back on us."

06The Ferrari Illustration

Pete offers a memorable illustration to explain why sin against God carries such weight. If you scratch a rock in the street with a key, nothing happens. If you scratch an abandoned car, people might raise an eyebrow. Scratch a used car and you have committed a criminal offence. Scratch a brand-new Ferrari and the punishment escalates sharply — because the value of what was damaged is so much higher.

Now take it further. What about rebelling against the God who made the person who designed the Ferrari? The God who made the Grand Canyon, Mount Everest, and billions of galaxies? The God who gives you the breath you are breathing right now?

"We're all guilty of cosmic treason against an infinitely worthy God," Pete says. "And as a result, God's wrath is rightly, justly set against us."

07So Why Did Jesus Die

This is the question Pete has been building towards. Someone had to pay the price. The justice of God demanded it. And the love of God provided it.

Jesus — who lived a perfect life, who never sinned, who never fell short of God's standard — took the punishment that was meant for us. He died physically and spiritually so that we would not have to face spiritual death, which is eternal separation from God.

John 3:16 suddenly reads very differently in this light. "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son." This was not a detached theological transaction. It was the most costly act of love in history.

08What This Means for Us

The consequence of Jesus's death is that the relationship between humanity and God can be restored. The branch can be grafted back into the tree. The cisterns can be repaired. The fountain of living water is available again.

For Pete, this is not just a historical event to study. It is a present-tense invitation. The door is open. The price has been paid. The question is whether we will walk through it.

09A Question That Demands a Response

Matt and Anna's conversation afterwards reflects on the weight of what Pete shared. It is not a comfortable talk. It does not flatter or reassure. But it does offer something remarkable — an explanation for why things are the way they are, and a way through.

The question Pete leaves us with is not an intellectual one. It is personal. If Jesus died so that you could find life — real, full, eternal life — what will you do with that?

It is, as Jerry Bridges said, the most important message in all of history. What you do with it is up to you.

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well good afternoon good time anna uh good afternoon and welcome to crowd church uh my name is matt adams and next to me is the beautiful anna kettle anna welcome it looks like you've just literally jumped just run back on screen so that was good timing indeed it's just throwing out my five-year-old but they worry about it it was brilliant they couldn't just like give you on the internet yeah yeah thanks for that i was thinking where is she going she can i don't know we'll find out when it goes live when we so welcome uh crowd church for those of you who don't know is an online church we're a digital church for those that might not see the point of church but you know we're kind of looking for answers on how to live a meaningful life we just enjoy church we just enjoy church and figuring life out and all that good stuff so you're welcome here whether it's your first time or your 50th time with you welcome on this quite gray dull day but warm here in liverpool i hope you're all doing well anna how are you doing i'm good thank you yeah it's a bit grey but i'll take it because it's not raining and it's quite warm we've been in the garden so it's all good yeah absolutely that's like literally the height of like yeah just that's achieving it right now isn't it yeah that benchmark has come down a lot since last year yeah i like that how you do yeah i'm all right it's not raining that's the answer so that's how it works now if you're where there's a few weeks going crowd you will have heard anna's talk as she kicked off the alpha series and this is now anna hosting with us live in the flesh which is great so uh yeah welcome welcome it's uh it's great to have you how did you find the talk by the way yeah i really enjoyed doing the talk but it is kind of fun to be here in person as well you are in person when you're talking aren't you you're just not lying yeah yeah exactly exactly so uh it's um it's just there's an error an air of expectations probably the best way to describe it in england at the moment isn't there and if you are watching this outside of the uk and it is not sunday afternoon uh the area of the expectation is all to do with the showdown where in england are playing for the first time in a final uh in my lifetime actually so we're all very excited that's a really long time oh matt crews going to love you with comments like that that's for sure so who we got in the comments we've got matt hey matt how are you doing gemma good afternoon uh sharon's here which is great uh our amazing anna k and chunky pastor matt edmundson yeah thanks man appreciate that so welcome wherever you are you can call me okay yeah it would be the first time and the last uh so welcome to church hey dave's here in the comments as well great to see you dave uh it's just it's just good that you're with us here on this sunday afternoon uh nicholas in the comments do join in the comments let us know say hi if you're watching ask any questions comments put them in there or you can join us via the whatsapp number which i put on the screen now anna can you please point to the whatsapp number i can there you go you're a bit off screen but sure we'll take that we'll take that uh so again if you're new to crowd you'll you won't really understand what that was all about whenever someone starts the first time hosting with us at crowd we always ask them to point to the number on the screen because it's quite tricky to do because in the monitors everything's reversed so understanding where to point and how to do it's quite complex but all of that said you can reach us on the whatsapp number if you have any prayer requests anything you'd like to get in touch with us about you can do that by the whatsapp number we would love to hear from you uh and you don't even have to be a church girl or a christian to ask for prayer we'll just do it anyway because god is cool and we just like to pray and i think he likes to usually answer them not always how we like them to be answered but he's interested in prayer would you say anna i would say that yeah yeah definitely so cool right so what we've got coming up today mrs kettle what have we got going on so we've got uh pete coming to talk to us in a minute we're about to play a talk from him it's all about the cross today which is exciting and uh we've got some uh discussions on um conversation street after that so that's going to be cool so obviously uh we will um yeah just we'll have discussion after his talk about all about it and we're also going to play a song in a minute which will give us a little bit of reflection time um yeah and i just yeah shall i introduce it now that sure yeah you're on a roll don't let me interrupt yeah yeah i'll just keep talking i'll take over that's fine i'm just gonna i'm just gonna be a passenger go for it great so yeah so we're gonna play a song in a minute called um when i survey the wondrous cross because we're talking all about the cross that's the same theme of the talk today and it's basically the writer of the song he's talking about his reflections on the cross and what it means for him and it's pretty beautiful song you might have actually heard heard it before whether or not you've been in church a lot it's like a really old hymn and rewritten for modern times so yeah we'll play it now and then obviously we'll go to conversation street in a bit so you start thinking about your questions and everything um and we'll go into the talk so yeah they're very good you are a little bit keen i'm not gonna lie we're gonna actually do the talk before the song though yeah well obviously but start thinking about you know the whole theme absolutely so um yeah here we go here's the talk so hello my name is peter and it is a real pleasure to be with you all today now i've been asked to unpack the question and i suppose attempt to answer the question why did jesus die now a guy called jerry bridges has said that this this message is not only the most important message in all of history it is the only essential message in all of history now i really haven't got very long to share this message with you so the pressure is on let's get stuck in we'll go straight to a verse in um the book of john in the new testament so john 3 16 says and this is jesus speaking for god so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life now this is uh probably the most important the the most famous verse in the whole bible and for good reason um but i want to have a look at uh i want to think about a word in this verse that often gets overlooked or even avoided sometimes um and that's the word perish like why would anyone have to perish so although the title of this of this talk is um why did jesus die i want to think about why would anyone have to die why would anyone have to perish now in order to answer that question i first want to take us to a few verses in the old testament the first book of the bible where a guy called jeremiah is speaking to the israelites on behalf of god and he's talking about the biggest crisis that has ever faced humanity and that is the problem of sin so um jeremiah says on behalf of god in in uh jeremiah 2 13 be appalled o heavens at this be shocked be utterly desolate declares the lord for my people have committed two evils they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and hewed out systems for themselves broken systems that can hold no water sin is one of those words that um it often gets thrown around and misunderstood a lot it simply means missing the mark and so in the context of christianity and and and what i'm talking about today it means missing god's mark or his standard so sin is missing god's standard and it's a problem because it absolutely shatters the systems uh which are like big tanks for storing water it shatters the systems of our lives so that our hearts just can't hold any peace or joy or love or comfort well not for very long at least you know it just seeps out of the cracks and i think if you take just one quick lancer history book or i'm sure if you just look at today's headlines it would appear that there's virtually no end to the ways in which we can hurt ourselves and hurt others and and in so doing decimated our capacity to contain to can hold life but this is just one side of the coin of sin uh because sin is not merely a problem because it has destructive consequences in our lives and in our world i'm not wanting to diminish the the horrors of the things that we've done to one another but this is just the tip of the iceberg of sin uh because in that verse in jeremiah it also says that we've forsaken him we've forsaken god we've rejected him we've uh given up god we've walked away from him and interestingly um here god calls himself the fountain of living water the implication being that we were created to drink deeply and have our hearts fully satisfied in the love of but we've rejected him and we've turned away from him and it's as if we've turned away from a deep well of life-giving water and and just kneeling in the dirt trying to scoop up some sewage water um you know in like shards of a broken system so we've effectively said to god actually god i'd like to be my own god i'll you know i can take things from here um and i'll find satisfaction elsewhere i don't i don't need you sin is an act of betrayal on a cosmic scale and it's an insult to god's infinite glory and perfection and the bible speaks in in many places about how because of our rebellion we are at enmity with god we're insolent opponents to him with his enemies now you might be hearing this and thinking okay pete sure i've made i've made mistakes um i've done some things wrong that you know i would like to be able to take back um but really i'm like deep down i'm a good person i'm all right um you know i think i think i'll be okay but the bible doesn't categorize people into different degrees of good and bad like you know i'm a good person who's just made a mistake every now and then or you know i've got a good heart because jesus only died for one category of people and that's sinners you see according to god's standard you mother teresa adolf hitler and i are all in the same boat we are all the same in the eyes of and in fact i could be doing all kinds of good things i could be building orphanages and hospitals feeding the feeding the hungry and and still in my heart be in be living in total rebellion to god never acknowledging him worshiping everything and anything besides him wishing him dead and the bible even talks about our righteous or our good deeds being like filthy rags that's what they look like to god so let's look at this standard and jesus says in matthew 5 27 to 28 you have heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery but i say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart jesus says in mark 12 30 you shall love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind how do you measure up after those two commandments i know i'm not doing too great and they're just two commandments out of literally hundreds um that give us a picture of what god's standard looks like in practice in in a book in the new testament called romans um paul st paul says uh in romans 3 verses 10 to 12 there is no one righteous not even one there is no one who understands there is no one who seeks god all have turned away they have together become worthless there is no one who does good not even one and he goes on in romans 3 verse 23 to say for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god now you also might be thinking is with all this talk of sin and sin it's like i thought it was love uh can't he just chill out a bit and cut us a bit of slack and you know maybe be a bit more inclusive but you see love and justice are inextricably linked and you cannot have one without the other and i think you see this in the way that i think you see this in the world you see this in the way that we live our if we love jews we must hate the holocaust if we love jews it follows that we must hate anti-semitism we must be completely intolerant of it and it is it is the same with god it's precisely because god loves and because he is beauty and goodness and kindness and peace and life and perfection it's because of that that he cannot tolerate sin and he would be pure evil and he wouldn't be anyone that you'd want to put your trust in if he were to just let sinners go and punished and let them off and i think we've seen you know if um over the last 12 months that the world really is crying out for justice but if we have one honest look at ourselves just for a moment we have to admit that if real ultimate justice were to be executed it would be truly terrible news for each and every one of us because although we have all been victims of evil to to one extent or another we know that at the same time we've all been perpetrators of evil too and that at some point if real justice were to be executed the finger would be turned back on us because we're not we're not only victims we are perpetrators of sin none of us pass the grade so let me give you an illustration if i take a key out of my pocket and use it to scratch rocks that i find in the street i haven't broken any law and i won't face any consequences it's just a rock but if i go to an abandoned car dump site and i take the same key and i scratch the car that's just been dumped there you know people might say what are you doing but again there's there's no there's no consequence now if i go to a used car and i take the same key and i scratch a used car now i'm guilty of a criminal offense because that car has some value but if i go to a ferrari car up and i take that same key and i scratch a brand new ferrari my punishment will now be way bigger my guilt is intensified and so is the punishment that i will face because the value of the thing that was vandalized was so much higher so let's take this to another level what if i kill the man who designed the ferrari what if i rebel against the god who made the person who designed the ferrari and i rebel against the god who who made the grand canyon and mount everest and the billions upon billions of galaxies in the universe and the god who gives me the breath that i'm breathing now what if i rebel against him like imagine how great that punishment would have to be for someone who wronged him now we're all guilty we're all guilty of cosmic treason against an infinitely worthy or an infinitely valuable god and as a result of that god's wrath or his anger is rightly it's justly set against us we're all fully deserving of an infinite punishment for rebelling against an infinitely worthy god that punishment is an eternity cast out of the love of god in hell so i know this has been a long answer to the question but this is why someone had to die i know this is pretty heavy stuff and like i'm sure you didn't wake up this morning thinking oh yeah my sunday afternoon i think i'll um spend a bit time listening to some random guy on the internet talk about wrath and sin and punishment and stuff um but stay with me there is a rescue plan um one of my one of my favorite passages in the bible is uh the book of romans and in chapter 5 verses 6 to 11 it says this for while we were still weak at the at the right time christ died for the ungodly for one will scarcely die for a righteous person though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die but god shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners christ died for us since therefore we have now been justified by his blood much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of god for if while we were enemies we were reconciled to god by the death of his son much more now that we are reconciled shall we be saved by his life more than that we also rejoice in god through our lord jesus christ through whom we have now received reconciliation now i know there's a lot there in those few verses but i just want to pick up on what it says about who we are without god those verses say that we're weak ungodly unrighteous sinners and enemies of god and yet it was there in that place that god sent his son to die for us that is how deep his love is and he would have been totally justified to just leave us to our own devices no one could have pointed the finger at him if he just left us alone um in our misery and and uh to an eternity of punishment in hell no one could judge him if he just left us to that and we didn't even want rescuing you know we're addicted to our independence we certainly didn't deserve being saved but he died for us anyway and that's how deep his love is it says in the bible that on the eve of the crucifixion jesus actually swept blood because of the sheer dread of being cast out of the love of the father and being the object of god's wrath and that was what we deserved but he took our place you know it says there that because of his death we have been saved we've been saved by the death of jesus from the wrath of god that's how deep his love is it says in in 2 corinthians 5 verse 21 for our sake he made him that's jesus to be sin who knew no sin so that in him in jesus we might become the righteousness of god contrary to the platitudes that the world might offer you i want to tell you that you are actually not enough and you do not merely need a healthier self-esteem or to simply be more kind to yourself need a brand new self i need a brand new self and and we all need the kindness of god as displayed on the cross and and this is the message of the gospel this is why jesus died because there's no way that you or i or anyone could ever be enough you don't need to be because jesus has been and is enough for you if you look to him christ came to earth in the form of a man so that he could truly be our representative and he lived a perfect life it says in that verse in 2 corinthians 5 21 jesus knew no sin he lived a perfect life and and yet he became sin for us he he took all of our sin our guilt our shame and upon himself and and this is the great exchange that our sin and our wretchedness was attributed to jesus and wiped clean from our record forever and his righteousness or his perfect record is attributed to us if we choose to look to him and we can now be reconciled to god the father and be welcomed back into an unbroken relationship with him jesus's death on the cross it mends the shattered systems of our lives and and it brings us back to the fountain of living water that jeremiah spoke of where we can be fully satisfied because jesus was he was fully god and fully man so he could be he could truly be our representative but he was fully god at the same time which meant that his sacrifice on the cross was perfect and it was all sufficient which means that it was enough and it was more than enough to to satisfy god's wrath and so if there's something that's you know come to your mind that you've done in in your life that you're ashamed of you know even things that keep you up at night there is nothing that the blood of jesus does not cover there is nothing that the blood of jesus is not enough for now for those who put their faith and trust in in jesus there is no longer any guilt and not even one ounce of wrath or anger or disappointment uh from god towards you jesus took all of that and if there's no longer any guilt or wrath what does it mean to have god as your well it means that everything that god is and everything that he does is for and no longer against you and there are so many ways for him to be good to you that it will take forever it will take unending ages of eternity for him to pour out his love on you so come to the fountain of living water wow thanks so much to pete for that talk i don't know about you but i actually found that really challenging just lots of good feed for thought there on the cross and on what sin means and how jesus's sacrifice on the cross made that right and why we needed that and so we'll go to conversation street in a minute and we'll unpack some of those ideas more so do stop thinking about that and post your questions if you've got some and we'll pick those up in a minute but first we're just going to play you a little song that's about cross it's called when i survey the wondrous cross and it's just an opportunity to sort of reflect for a few minutes maybe reflect on what the writer of the song is saying as well um and then we'll pick it back up see you in a minute when i say the wondrous crust on which the praise glory die my richest gay poor content on all pride should go saving the death of christ my god all the vain things his see from his head his hands his feet sorrow and love flowing gold down did such me or thorns composed so richard i thank you for the cross i thank you for the cross i thank you for the cross my more i thank you for the cross my lord nature might wear up my soul my life my own thank you for the cross i thank you for the cross i love you for the cross i love you for love you for the cross my lord my lord very good very good well that was uh peter farrington talking about why did jesus die and that was his brother john farrington with his sister-in-law doing the song anna grace uh when i survey which is just one of my favorite christian songs uh it's just it's an old hymn that is just beautiful i i don't know about you anna do you like that song do you listen to it much yeah i do it's it's a bit of a classic isn't it like i i don't hear it played very often in churches today but it's it's just one that's been around forever and it's beautiful lyrics i think yeah it's one of those ones that is like constantly redone and people re-record it and it just you know it's always around doesn't it and yeah it is i love that phrase uh were the whole realm of nature mind that we're an offering far too small love so amazing so divine demands my soul my life my all i think it's very poetic and beautiful right anyway let's get into pete's talk now there's a few comments come through here and if you're busy writing your comments and questions carry on doing so we will get round to them in conversation street it is worth saying right off the bat i think pete mentioned it it was a bit of a heavy talk uh in terms of it wasn't it wasn't all nice and light and fluffy it wasn't about unicorn unicorns and rainbows was it it was kind of getting straight in there on some of these big topics like but i i think we need to do that every now and again and i thought actually it was he did i think he did a stand-up job talking about it yeah i agree it's a heavy topic but yeah it's it's so important to look at isn't that yeah it is you know when you when you were growing up you talked about this a little bit in your talk you kind of grew up in a christian family right is that as if i understood that right you you were kind of growing up in a christian family yeah was there much talk about this idea of sin as you were growing up and how did you understand it it's a good question actually i think it probably was sort of there and like i heard it in sunday school lessons and in church but it was never kind of personalized to me like i i think my thing growing up was always like that i knew a lot about what it meant to be a christian on one level and i heard a lot in church about the cross and jesus dying and all this stuff but it didn't relate to reflecting it back to my own life so like why was i a sinner i didn't really feel like a sinner if i was honest when i was growing up i felt like quite a person i felt like i'm from a nice family i don't do it you know i'm not like perfect but who is but i'm basically a good person and you know i've never done anything really terrible to anyone and actually i think that can make you feel like you're okay as you are and so i really related to what a lot of what he was saying there about the whole thing of self-help and like i think there's so much self-help stuff thrown out at the moment isn't there on podcasts and on the internet and just all around us like oh just you know just work on yourself and be the best version of yourself you can be and that's enough and yeah it's not really enough but like it's such a it's such a common thing that you hear in our culture yeah it is it's um it's a fascinating one isn't it and i we did a talk actually in crowd we did a uh if you go back through the archives to the start of the year maybe a little bit before that actually we did a talk on why the power of positive thinking isn't actually all that powerful um and this whole idea of self-help and just being more positive and just being kind to yourself and building your self-esteem they're not bad things but fundamentally they're not powerful in themselves to deal with some of the root cause you know some of the root causes of problems we have as the human race and um yeah i mean i when i was growing up this whole concept of sin i i misunderstood it jeremy in my head i just translated it as oh that's just something i've done bad or something that i've done wrong and pete talked about how sin is um is missing the mark and i remember an analogy that was told to me how true this is or not i don't know but it helped me understand it a little bit um and it's an old english word it just literally means that missing the mark and when you you know used to do the the uh the bow and arrows you know the archery and you'd you'd pull back the bow and you'd aim at the the you know the big target down at the bottom and if you missed it if you completely missed that target the guy the other end would hold up a flag and on that flag would be the word sin you have missed the target and i thought that was really important what he said that actually sin is just about missing god's standard and actually that's quite a powerful thing so it's not about i mean the consequence of that you could say is bad stuff but fundamentally it's just about missing god's standard whether you think that's good bad or indifferent right yeah i think that's a true and it's yeah as you say it's like you can miss the mark by a tiny bit but you're still not hit you've still not hit the mark have you it's so so that's why it doesn't matter if you come from a nice middle-class family like me and you've come from christian family and you've always gone to church you're still missing the mark you know in god's eyes because you know we're all just so short of his his affection and his beauty and his holiness and goodness and i i loved what he had to say about how we're all in the same boat whether you're adolf hitler or mother teresa i mean that is fundamentally challenging isn't it and most of us probably sit somewhere right in the middle between those two certainly not as bad as adolf and certainly nowhere near as good as mother teresa but yeah all of us are missing the mark yeah i love that that's just powerfully challenging to me yeah he talked about it didn't he in his talk about how the bible doesn't classify you in your degrees of goodness i thought that was quite important you know yeah i'm kind of i'm not perfect but i'm an 8 out of 10 kind of a character you know i i helped the old lady across the street and carried her shopping kind of a thing and it and the bible doesn't differentiate doesn't it and i like that idea that actually there are there aren't levels of character um it is very black and white when it when it when scripture talks about this you're you're either in the kingdom of god or you're not uh is the fundamental statement isn't it and so um yeah i thought that was really i thought that was a really interesting analogy that he used there what do you he kept he used this phrase a couple of times right and i i must admit i i was intrigued by it enough to write it down and it was this phrase cosmic treason uh which i just thought was was a fascinating it almost sounds like a clothing brand do you want to mean cosmic yeah uh and um what what do you what do you understand by that i mean hard time it's not a phrase i've ever heard before yeast even though like i've been around church culture for a long time like you have map but yeah it to me it sounds a little bit like something you would get out of a marvel comic book you know like a female yeah exactly but i suppose to me at core what he was getting at is that yeah we're all we're all kind of we're all letting god down you know like in terms of just just the way we live every day it's it's you know we're all we're all part of the problem if we're not part of the solution as it were and um yeah yeah and it's kind of that and that cosmic sort of level of the story that plays out in yeah in the bible that's fascinating isn't it so dave in the comments here he said um talking about the gospel he says that the gospel is about repentance okay now um he's mentioned this a couple of times and again this is a very christian word repentance what do you understand by the word repentance my just i used to think of it as um i used to think of it as something like that you did once you know like to repent means to become a christian because that's what i was taught in like i don't know about yuma but i was always taught in like you know going going to like sunday school as a kid like you repent and then you believe in god and then you're a christian and then that's it but now i understand it quite differently as an adult that actually it just means a turning so a turning of your attitude a turning of your way of thinking and actually that's something i have to do all the time that like it's sometimes it's not 180 degrees it's just a slight turning it's late maybe my attitude is slightly wrong or i'm a bit you know i'm missing the point a little bit and i don't know i i just find that it's a much more helpful way that actually i still need to repent and turn around in terms of how i'm thinking about something all the time have to do with my husband every day like we see things in different ways and it's like oh yeah maybe you're right i'm actually going to reduce what i'm saying here a little bit you know is nodding going yeah so that kind of like it's not always like just the big stuff like oh i need to repent for something really terrible i've done and get on my knees it's also just a small yeah it's the small things too it's like actually to just turn in my like how i'm seeing this i'm not seeing things right i'm not thinking about this in the right way i'm not like what i'm understanding here is misaligned to what god says what do you think about it i think it's a great analogy what you said there is turning around it's just like you know this whole idea of repent just means well i'm going to change the direction that i'm going i was going this direction which was my own way of thinking to repent means to go actually well now i'm going to go god's way of thinking right that's all it is it's like you say it's a changing of of mind and heart sharon's put here i'm gonna add it to the screen it says there's a quote from tink keller the gospel is this we are more sinful and flawed in ourselves than we ever dared believed yet at this very same time we are more loved and accepted in jesus christ than we ever dared hope and i think that's a really interesting quote um because i don't think people like to think of themselves as sinners i don't think people like to think of themselves as committing sin because it's just it just feels bad it feels wrong and actually what he's saying here is actually you're much worse than you think you are which is probably fair but at the same time uh we are more we ever dared hoped and i think that's one of the takeaways that's what pete talked about isn't it here this great exchange that actually fundamentally there is this problem called sin there is this problem with justice there is this problem with all this stuff going on but jesus is enough and he's got all the bases covered when we as dave said repent in other words change our way and just go okay god you kind of know what we're doing would that be a fair summary do you think yeah i think so and i love that quote it's yeah it's beautiful isn't it it's it's like we're so much worse than we think we are but also god is so much better so yeah it's like it's like uh what pete was saying but like there's a problem here but there's also an incredible solution and yeah yeah absolutely and if you are if you are new to the christian faith i would strongly encourage you to check it out and find it all out for yourself it's like pete said it's such an important topic you know why did jesus die it's one of the most important questions you have to sort of dig into i think in your life because in understanding why he had to die you understand how you actually get to live and how the two things are not mutually exclusive you need to understand one to get the other so we say that you know crowd church is about finding the answers to live a meaningful life fundamentally it all lies in this the death burial and resurrection of jesus can't get around it just the way it is we are going to get into this much more next week but anna this is the uh first time you've ever hosted crowd we've done we've just done conversation street and uh we always end on a specific question right normally from nicola and nicolas sent me the question i think it's the most obvious question for today so i'm just going to prepare a little uh background music here why is it not playing oh there we go okay so today's question is what's your prediction for the england italy game today uh so we're going to end on that question which is you know a complete change of direction to where we're going that's repentance in operation what's your prediction for the score i'm going to say my prediction is 2-1 2-1 to england 2-1 to england okay i'm going for the england when i'm going for 2-0 let us know in the comments your predictions for the school is it coming home or is it going to italy my heart says one thing my head says another uh so i'm i'm just like it's coming home let's just think that and if you are watching this outside of the uk i appreciate you know being english we are obviously the three lines on the chest we're all behind the three lions and all the best guys you've done as proud so far keep going uh matt crew says yeah it's going to be 2-1 so he agrees with you and matt crew never agrees with anyone so that's awesome maybe that's what's going on great minds think i like matt what can i say absolutely and i saw the love you were getting in the chat as well at the start of the live stream which is nice so you know obviously got a few fans here today which is uh which is lovely zoe says it's going to be 3-2 to england okay so whilst you're busy writing your scores down tell us your predictions for the game we are going to play this week's catch-up hello and welcome to this week's sunday catch up so there you go that all went a bit wrong didn't it apparently on ketchup all we can hear is josh's music and not actually his sound uh so sorry josh i have no idea what you're saying but yeah no sound on josh is he uh is coming through what is happening we just don't know so um thanks for sending your ketchup videos your photos your video i'm sorry we didn't get a chance to play them because uh there's just just music on the video so i don't know what's going on in fact what i can do actually no i'm gonna do this i'm gonna play the ketchup video and we'll fast forward the josh talky bit to the actual catch-up stuff and see if there's anything there because i don't actually know yeah hello and well as a journalist and monotonous like picking and packing boxes is to listen to some good audio whether that be an audio book a podcast or just music that seems to do the trick i know that you desperately want to know what i was listening to so i will tell you don't fear i was listening to the first three episode of malcolm gladwell's new season of revisionist history a very very interesting podcast i highly recommend if you don't know who malcolm gladwell is he i don't know if he still is actually he what i definitely know he was a journalist at some point um but he's written lots and lots of books that are generally stu with social sciences he likes to research the human condition you might say and kind of explore how that unfolds both in history and in the present very very interesting highly recommend that's enough for me let's get on to the catch-up clips thank you very much for sending all those in i really enjoy watching the catch-up videos if you would like to see your stuff on catch-up then you can either send it in to the whatsapp number which you can see on the bottom of the screen or you can use the hashtag crowdcatchup on instagram thank you very much for watching that's all from me this week i will catch you next time there we go we got there in the end we did get there in the end which was good uh well done josh i don't know what was wrong with your audio first and apparently yes matt cruz put in the comments here hilarious that he mentions good audio absolutely it was and it's my bad actually normally i get a chance to watch these things before we go live i just didn't today but there you go i think it's because we're all too excited about england but there you go so if you have any videos or photos you would like to send them for crowd catch-up do send them in uh to the whatsapp number on your screen or you can put them on social media with the crowd catch up like josh said and i have no idea what nichola and zoe were doing in the car singing along to bonnie tyler there just made me laugh though made me chuckle it's been lovely having nicola up in sunny liverpool so it's been great to see her and have everyone around how are you how are you spending this evening anna how are you doing the football this evening so we are having um food and we're having some of our friends around um my little boy is having one of his um one of his mates from school so i'm hoping it doesn't go into extra time because kickoff's not great and i'm going to have a very tired moody child tomorrow if it gets on into penalties and everything so let's take this a quick win within the nine minutes i think every parent everywhere is hoping that we're getting okay with that how are you how are you celebrating or watching yeah same thing we're having people around the house uh we've got the um the uh covering up so in case it rains we're all outside obviously all safe and all that sort of stuff we have to do these days uh but yeah outside we're gonna have the tv people around like you i i don't think it'll go into extra time but you know what do i know i predicted actually that england wouldn't concede a goal the whole tournament and i was doing really well until we played denmark so it turns out i know nothing uh about football but now we're having people run i'm super super looking forward to it uh and yeah i just i wonder what the cost to the economy of this game is going to be like who was not actually going but nobody's going to work everyone's still working at home well i am anyway so like we only have to stagger to the next room it's really i had a nine o'clock meeting tomorrow which has been cancelled because of obvious reasons right so we've not got the meetings tomorrow which is nice so uh yeah it's been brilliant absolutely brilliant thinking about what's going to happen and again you know i can't play more than a few seconds of it because the video will get flagged by youtube for copyright so let's not do that anyway if you are not familiar with that song if you're outside of uk just go to google uh or youtube and a search for three lions and listen to the music and sing football is coming home uh with everybody else this evening what is hap let's stop talking about football uh for those that don't really care um but what is happening next week anna do you know do you remember oh yes i do actually i do remember next week i had to think about that from emma didn't know next week we're gonna have matt is gonna be doing this talk next week um i can't tell you what on this and matt might be able to yeah yeah i i i'm doing the talk next week on how can i have faith so it's gonna be part four in the alpha series uh we're gonna do this track how can i have faith um and so yeah we've got that coming up next week uh i'm hosting with the beautiful rage marshall she's joining us next week which is fantastic so great oh just gotta love rage so she's great so yeah how did you find it anna your first time hosting how has it been for it was fun i enjoyed it it went really quickly i can't believe that was a flower it's amazing in it on this side of the camera how quickly it goes there are people at home going man this is dragged on a little bit especially because we're just talking football between ourselves and everyone else is like i thought we'd come to church not a football commentary but listen i think that is gonna be it for today um we are gonna the way we close out the service in case you don't know is we are gonna play another worship song uh and you can sing along if you like or just listen to the words and once that song has finished the live stream will end uh from myself and anna it's been great to be with you please enjoy the football this evening do it responsibly and just have a good old time and knees up with everybody pray for england because we need all the help that we can we need it but also enjoy it even if we lose just enjoy the fact we're even in a final but yeah yeah absolutely right absolutely so you know we're there let's make the most of it we will see you next week at four o'clock just to inform you that on the 25th i should have mentioned this at the start but on the 25th of july in two weeks time we will be moving to a 6 p.m live stream so next week will be the last time we do 4 p.m we are then moving back to 6 p.m we're going to try it at a new time so just so you know if you want to keep up with any of the stuff that's been going on at crowd i'll put the number on the screen and also the website crowd.church you can subscribe there to our list and we will you know everything that is happening but yeah on the 25th we're going to go to 6 p.m so do mock that in your diaries from me from anna all that's left to say is it's coming home absolutely yes have a great week wherever you are thanks for joining us bless you and bye for now see you soon father you worked your will i had no righteousness of my own i had no right to journey your throne but father you loved me still and in love before you laid the world's foundation you predestined to adopt me as your own you have raised me up so high above my station i'm a child of god by grace and grace alone you left your home to seek out the loss you knew the great and terrible cause of jesus your face once said i worked my fingers down to the bone nothing i did could ever atone jesus you paid my death by your blood i have redemption and salvation i am i was in darkness all of my life i never knew the day from the night spirits you made me see i swore i knew the way on my own a head full of rocks a heart made of stone spirits you moved in me at your touch my sleeping spirit was awakened on my darkened heart in light of christ to show yes i'll stand in faith by grace and grace enough i will run this race by grace and break snow i will reach the end by grace is

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